Q: Wondering what people found most useful as the book they took to China with them on baby care (and turned to usefully in the middle of late night traumas!)
From: John George
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Spock, Leach, Brazelton--your vote?
To limit weight I only brought copies of certain pages out of a medical book, e.g. re: diarrhea, fever etc. I had called my pediatricians office before departure and made a list of the doses for all children's medications I was bringing. I felt I could wing the rest with lots of holding, lots of bottles (most babies drank 9 bottles a day!), lots of quiet time and common sense! And that worked out fine.
Greetings, Selma
John George <jbgeoss@worldnet.att.net>
[Ed here --- see also #14 above.]
From: Nathaniel L Beck
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spock, Leach, Brazelton--your vote?
My friends with young babies rave about Laura Nathanson's The Portable Pediatrician. I loved Brazelton's stuff, but that was twenty years ago.
Neal
Nathaniel L Beck <nbeck@weber.ucsd.edu>
From: LZ
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Spock, Leach, Brazelton--your vote?
Penelope Leach, absolutely. Common sense approach, sound approach to illness and behavior and clothing. Reduces guilt enormously.
It's the only one I used, and believe me I owned them ALL.
Lynda
From: Lisa A Woodford
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Spock, Leach, Brazelton--your vote?
I owned all of them , but hands down vote goes to Sears and Sears "The Baby Book"
I still refer to it occasionally, the others are gathering dust.
Lisa Woodford
Ma to Jade, 11 months
lawoodfo@smartdocs.com (Lisa A Woodford)
From: ZapGirls@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 1996 12:48 AM
Subject: RE: Spock, Leach, Brazelton--your vote?
For the trip we cut the medical section out of "What to Expect the First Year" and took it. At home it's definitely "The Baby Book" by Sears and Sears. His attachment parenting style makes a lot of sense for a baby who has had the attachment bonds cut and is struggling to reattach. I also dip in to Penelope Leach because she her writing is delightful. It's like reading a travelogue into a child's mind. Sometimes I pick up Brazelton just for a little reality check and I also like to skim through the age-appropriate sections of "What to Expect the First Year" so I can compare what Lia is doing and assure myself that she's is a genius.
After all this reading I am usually confused and end up doing what I think is best anyhow.... When do I find time to read -- late at night. You may get the idea that we don't sleep much around here anymore... we don't! Store up your sleep now while you are waiting... it will soon be a thing of the past.
Alexis
ZapGirls@aol.com
From: Jan Lupson
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 1996 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Women's Facilities
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, a correspondent wrote:
> I am not sure how to phrase this question(s), but here goes. I sent off and received the Magellan Catalogue for travel supplies. The woman I talked to suggested something called "Funnelles". She said that most bathrooms for women in China consisted of a hole in the ground and a foot placement on each side. This brings to mind some severe logistical problems for those of us who wear jeans/pants almost exclusively.
> Could anyone (preferably female) out there who has already had the Chinese Adoption Experience please comment on the bathroom facilities you encountered on your visit to pick up your child(ren)?
--- Lost somewhere in the Document Jungle, inching my way to China
I'll add my experiences here. In the hotels, no problem, definitely Western style facilities. In Yangzhou, we were about to take a long boat ride and decided we better use the facilities. We went to a nearby university (no students were around at that time) and our guide showed us to the bathroom - if I recall, there was no door and there were two stalls, whose walls were only about 4 feet high. There was a concrete trough running through the stall and every so often a great gush of water came barrelling down this trough and went off to heaven knows where. I NEVER wear dresses so it was a bit of a balancing act and luckily I had carried my roll of TP with me. At another place, a restaurant we went to, there were western stalls, none too clean, but the toilet paper (if there was any) was outside of the stall and you had to tear off some and take it in with you. I remember being in the Lufthansa Centre in Beijing wanting to change Tavia and going into their washroom and the sinks were all pedestal types with no place to change. We ended up changing her on top of the garbage receptacle outside of the washroom, which unfortunately swiveled so again balance was important. One of the other couples we were with ended up changing their daughter in mid-air on the street, much to the amusement of passersby. I think it would be a good idea to carry some TP with you (take out the centre cardboard and it collapses down for better packing).
Jan
Jan Lupson <jlupson@uoguelph.ca>
At 04:38 AM 4/3/96 UT, you wrote:
>I would like permission to use this in the FAQ website
>
>Thanks
>
>--ed
>
>P.P.S. --- see, I told you you're full of good . . . stuff!
Sure, Ed, go ahead and print my "potty post." Also, be sure and include the advice about carrying toilet paper and wet wipes for adult handwashing as well as baby diapering ... I carry that stuff without even thinking about it.
S. T.
From: S. T.
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 1996 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Women's Facilities
>At 12:45 PM 4/2/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>Could anyone (preferably female) out there who has already had the
Chinese Adoption Experience please comment on the bathroom facilities you
encountered on your visit to pick up your child(ren)?
Okay, and everyone else who has been alarmed by her note ... (I can't believe I'm about to discuss toilets with a thousand people.)
The toilets at the expensive Chinese hotels frequented by foreign tourists are just like any toilets you would see at home. At the Beijing Airport, in the domestic terminal, the women's rest room had three or four stalls, all with Chinese-style toilets. These are basically ceramic troughs that flush. (You may want to take advantage of the restrooms on the plane while you can.)
I don't know what you'll find at the airport in Guangzhou. In the Hong Kong airport's international terminal, the toilets were western-style. In Japanese airports and department stores (for those of you going through Japan), there's usually a row of stalls with the first several toilets Japanese-style (the same as Chinese), and the last one or two stalls at the far end are usually western-style. Jeans present a problem for using Asian toilets, as does any type of clothing that can't be hitched up out of the "damp" that's usually all over the floor. A full skirt is much more practical.
And, while we're on the subject of toilets, women traveling through the new international airport in Osaka will be delighted to find that the last stall at the far end of the women's restroom has a western toilet with a high-walled changing table right beside it.
Okay, folks, that's the ... uh ... story on toilets.
S. T.
From: Sue Ferrara
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 1996 10:20 PM
Subject: toilet paper
In all this discussion about the privies, did anyone mention toilet paper??
Carry a roll for those out of the way places (like the Guangzhou airport which had run out when we got there!). It seemed someone in our group was always looking for a tissue or toilet paper.
Also, some of the bathrooms have nothing to dry your hands on after you wash them. Some places have cloth towels which have been used by everyone! You might want to consider taking some wash and wipes for your personal use.
And, in those out of the way places (like the public bathroom we hit in the town hosting the Women's Conference outside of Beijing) the holes were in the floor and there was no toilet paper, no place to wash hands, and an incredible stench!!! (We were on our way to the Great Wall after too many cups of coffee!)
And, not to get too personal, but you could tell the American in the bathroom. She was tall, standing (not squatting) and facing the wall, (not the middle of the room like the Chinese women!)
Sue
From: MRS JACKIE B SZCZEPANIK
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 1996 9:04 PM
Subject: Potties and Planes
I personally NEVER travel outside the US without my roll(s) of Charmin! Actually, the first potty stop was what really pulled the women in the group together. Photos were taken and much laughter was enjoyed by all. The one who happened to be "over" the pot when it flushed itself was so surprised she nearly fell in! We lived in Japan about 10 years ago and I got to where I almost preferred the Asian pots. It's part of the experience , I guess!
We flew CAAC (China Airlines Always Cancels) JUST KIDDING!! well, sort of! from Hangzhou to Guangzhou with no trouble except it was crowded. The flight from Guangzhou to Beijing was.....canceled! But it worked to our benefit. Believe me, this was a VAST improvement from 11 years ago! Then, we flew on old Soviet prop jobs, planes w/out seat belts......my favorite though was when we boarded a REAL plane in Beijing (737 or something) it was hot and so the attendants asked if we wanted air conditioning. We were handed fans. I loved China then and my trip in November confirmed it!
Jackie
EBXY42B@prodigy.com (MRS JACKIE B SZCZEPANIK)
From: BritsMum@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 1996 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Strollers
My husband travelled to Hangzhou in September of 1995. He took the umbrella stroller for our child. Everyone in the group took turns using it, partly because it was very hot and the babies were very uncomfortable in the snugli's. I would recommend it as would other members of our group who did not take one. It is relatively light and can strap easily to your luggage.
It also came in handy running through airports.
Good luck
Judy
BritsMum@aol.com
From: PATGORM@oitvms.oit.umass.edu
Sent: Friday, March 29, 1996 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella strollers
For my first daughter, a mere 13 pounds when we met, a snuggli was just fine, and it added to the bonding to have her resting at heart level. For our second, where I went over without my husband and she was close to 20 pounds when we met, I really wish I had brought a stroller. Though there are places a stroller won't go, there were enough to make it worth bringing a real cheap lightweight one. If I were to do it again, I'd bring both a snuggli type thing and a cheap, light weight stroller. With both there you can decide according to activity, and then leave the stroller if it's too much stuff on the trip home.
Patricia
PATGORM@oitvms.oit.umass.edu